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welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast

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yes it's a skeptic Zone podcast episode

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number 751 for the 26th of February 2023

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Susan gerbeck here coming from the War

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Room at catnip Corners in Salinas

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California

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poor Richard Saunders is stuck on my

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comfortable chair with two of my cats

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hey Susan how do I get off this chair

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I need the skeptical fairy I think so

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it's up to me to host this week's

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episode coming up on this week's Show

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Adrian Hill continues her series on

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Wikipedia projects this week she'll look

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at Wikipedia Project's alternative

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medicine

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following that Adrian returns to read

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the Australian Skeptics newsletter then

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to round off the show it's Richard with

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another Trove segment this time looking

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at fake cures as reported in Australian

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newspapers stay tuned for the end of the

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episode for more announcements but now

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it's time for me to run around the

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corner down the hall into the kitchen

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jump over a cat and open a new box of

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Milk Duds while I do that I hope you

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enjoy this week's episode of the skeptic

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can count on Adrian

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with Adrian Hill

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hello everyone this is Adrian Hill from

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Canada and this is part four of my

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series of reports looking at Wiki

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projects on Wikipedia

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according to Wikipedia's own definition

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a Wiki project is quote a group of

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editors that wish to work together as a

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team to improve Wikipedia

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a successful Wiki project contributes

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towards Wikipedia's mission of building

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and encyclopedia end quote

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the Articles associated with the wiki

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project of particular interest to

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Wiki project alternative medicine and

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that's actually the topic that really

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got me into skepticism

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this Wiki project states that its goals

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to improve the number and quality of

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to develop and promote standards of

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quality guidelines to be followed in cam

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in this Wiki project to help stabilize

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popular pages and the links will be

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top two entries related to people we

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Brett Samuel Weinstein born in 1969 is

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Evergreen which brought Weinstein to

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brother Eric Weinstein he is considered

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rubidium melt just above room

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derived peptides peptide derivatives and

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mixtures there is no accepted scientific

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combinations for various diseases the

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independent scientists have been unable

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to reproduce the positive results

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reported in the brzezinski's studies

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NCI observed that the researchers other

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than Brzezinski and his associates have

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not been successful in duplicating his

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results and cancer research UK states

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that quote available scientific evidence

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does not support claims that

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anti-neoplaston therapy is effective in

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and at number seven on the list with a

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daily average of

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3657 views is yoga

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according to its Wikipedia page yoga is

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a group of physical mental and spiritual

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practices or disciplines which

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originated in Ancient India and aim to

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control or yoke and still the Mind

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recognizing a detached witness

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Consciousness Untouched by the mind or

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chitta and mundane suffering or dukkha

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there is a wide variety of schools of

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Yoga practices and goals in Hinduism

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Buddhism and Jainism and traditional and

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modern yoga is practiced worldwide

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two general theories exist on the

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origins of yoga the linear model holds

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that yoga originated in The Vedic period

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as reflected in The Vedic textual Corpus

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and influence Buddhism according to

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author Edward Fitzpatrick krangle this

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model is mainly supported by Hindu

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Scholars according to the synthesis

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model yoga is a synthesis of non-vadic

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and Vedic elements this model is favored

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in Western scholarship

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introduction in the west yoga and other

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aspects of Indian philosophy came to the

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attention of the educated Western public

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during the mid-19th century and NC Paul

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published his Treatise on yoga

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philosophy in 1851.

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Swami Vivekananda the first Hindu

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teacher to Advocate and disseminate

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elements of yoga to a western audience

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toured Europe and the United States in

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the 1890s

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his reception built on the interest of

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intellectuals who included the New

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at number six on the list with a daily

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average of

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3821 views is lysergic acid diethylamide

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LSD

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known colloquially as acid is a potent

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psychedelic drug

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effects typically include intensified

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thoughts emotions and sensory perception

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at sufficiently high doses LSD manifests

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primarily mental Visual and auditory

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hallucinations dilated pupils increased

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blood pressure and increased body

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temperature are typical effects

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typically begin within half an hour and

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can last up to 20 hours

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LSD is also capable of causing mystical

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experiences and ego disillusion it is

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used mainly as a recreational drug for

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Spiritual reasons LSD is both the

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prototypical Psychedelic and one of the

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classical psychedelics being the

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psychedelics with the greatest

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scientific and cultural significance LSD

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is typically either swallowed or held

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under the tongue it is most often sold

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on blotter paper and less commonly as

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tablets in a watery solution or in

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gelatin squares called pains

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LSD currently has no approved uses in

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medicine a meta-analysis concluded that

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a single dose was effective at reducing

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alcohol consumption in alcoholism LSD

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has also been studied in depression

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anxiety and Drug dependence with

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at number five on the list with a daily

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average of

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4270 views is Carol vorderman

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according to her Wikipedia page Carol

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Jean vorderman or MBE which is a member

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of the order of the British Empire

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and on Fiat I'm not sure how I'm

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supposed to say that it's

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h-o-n-f-i-e-t as an aside on the IET

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website and the IET stands for

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institution of engineering and

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Technology quote honorary fellows are

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persons distinguished by their work in

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any engineering discipline falling

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within the objects and purposes of the

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IET end quote

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born the 24th of December 1960 she is a

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Welsh media personality best known for

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appearing on the game show countdown for

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26 years from 1982 until 2008. as a

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newspaper columnist and nominal author

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of educational and diet books and

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hosting the Annual Pride of Britain

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Awards

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vorderman's career began in 1982 when

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she joined Channel 4 game show countdown

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she appeared on the show with Richard

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Whiteley from 1982 until his death in

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2005. and subsequently with Dez align

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them and Des O'Connor before leaving in

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2008

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while appearing on countdown vorderman

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began presenting other shows for various

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broadcasters including Better Homes and

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the pride of Britain awards for ITV as

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well as guest hosting shows such as have

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I got news for you

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the Sunday night project and Lorraine

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she has written books on detox diets

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detox diets are dietary plans that claim

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to have detoxifying effects the general

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idea suggests that most food contains

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contaminants ingredients deemed

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unnecessary for human life

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such as flavor enhancers food colorings

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pesticides and preservatives

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scientists dietitians and doctors while

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generally viewing brief quote detox

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diets end quote as harmless unless

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nutritional deficiency results often

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dispute the value and need of these

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detox diets due to lack of supporting

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factual evidence or coherent rationale

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in cases where a person suffers from a

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disease belief in the efficacy of a

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detox diet can result in delay or

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at number four on the list with a daily

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average of 4812 views is MDMA

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according to its wiki page

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methylene deoxy methamphetamine mdna

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commonly seen in tablet form ecstasy and

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Crystal form Molly or Mandy is a potent

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M pathogen and pathogen we have

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stimulant properties primarily used for

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recreational purposes

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the desired effects include altered

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Sensations increased energy empathy and

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pleasure when taken by mouth effects

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begin within 30 to 45 minutes and last

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three to six hours

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MDMA was first developed in 1912 by

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Merck it was used to enhance

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Psychotherapy beginning in the 1970s and

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became popular as a street drug in the

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1980s MDMA is commonly associated with

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dance parties Raves and electronic dance

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music in 2016 about 21 million people

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between the ages of 15 and 64 used

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ecstasy

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0.3 percent of the world population

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this was broadly similar to the

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percentage of people who use cocaine or

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amphetamines

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but lower for cannabis or opioids in the

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United States as of 2017 about seven

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percent of people have used MDMA at some

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point in their lives and 0.9 have used

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it in the last year

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short-term adverse effects include

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grinding of the teeth blurred vision

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sweating and a rapid heartbeat and

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extended use can also lead to addiction

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memory problems paranoia and difficulty

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sleeping deaths have been reported due

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to increased body temperature and

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dehydration

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following use people often feel

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depressed and tired

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MDMA acts primarily by increasing the

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activity of the neurotransmitters

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serotonin dopamine and noradrenaline in

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parts of the brain it belongs to the

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substituted amphetamine classes of drugs

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small doses of MDMA are used by some

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religious practitioners as an antheogen

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to enhance prayer or meditation

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MDMA has been used as an adjunct in New

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and finally at number three on the list

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with a daily average of 5605 views is

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yin and yang

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according to its Wikipedia page yin and

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yang is a Chinese philosophical concept

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that describes opposite but

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interconnected forces

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in Chinese cosmology the universe

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creates itself out of a primary chaos of

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material energy organized into the

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cycles of Yin and Yang and formed into

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objects and lives

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Yin is the receptive and yang the active

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principle

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seen in all forms of change and

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difference such as the annual cycle like

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winter and summer the landscape North

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facing shade and south facing brightness

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sexual coupling female and male

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the formation of both men and women as

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characters and socio-political history

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or disorder and Order

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and that brings us up to numbers 2 and 1

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which we mentioned before now before you

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ask here are the subjects making up

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numbers 13 to 20. Tamarind

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transcendental

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meditation

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ayurveda

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ambergris or ambergris depending on who

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you listen to How to pronounce it

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Alchemy pseudoscience feng shui and

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Chiropractic

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Homeopathy comes in at number 23.

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in the next segment I'll look at the

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wiki project for folklore and see what

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the top page views are for this

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fascinating look into history

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but for now this is Adrian Hill signing

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off from Canada

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[Music]

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Adrian Hill here and I'm really excited

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to announce I'm going to be heading to

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Sydney on March 14th Canada time and

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we'll be attending a Skeptics in the pub

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on Thursday March 23rd hopefully I'll be

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over the jet lag by then and I will be

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fully awake for my talk which I have

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titled skepticism and syntax being a

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Wikipedia Guru with giggles and gumption

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join me to walk through my journey to

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becoming a skeptical activist from my

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first behind the scenes work with the

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gorilla skepticism on Wikipedia not so

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secret cabal two snickering on the

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skeptic Zone podcast join me for

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discussions on haunted houses medical

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pseudoscience psychics and silly stories

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giggling guaranteed and that's at the

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Occidental Hotel on Thursday March 23rd

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at 6 PM in Sydney details can be found

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at meetup.com forward slash AUST

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Skeptics hope I see you there

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[Music]

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this is Adrian Hill from Canada happy to

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be back to read the highlights from the

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Australian Skeptics newsletter

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this is newsletter number

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167. you can subscribe to this

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just visit

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www.skeptics.com dot a u

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hi all says Tim did you manage to

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celebrate Darwin day February 12th for

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those who forgot to send a card but

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don't worry we can celebrate the impact

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of Darwin day every day along with a lot

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of other scientists and thinkers who

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also probably deserve their own day

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we missed Alfred Russell Wallace day on

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January 8th but there is Einstein day on

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March 14th Mary Anning Day on May 21st

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Sagan day on November 9th all the way up

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to Newton day on December 25th though

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there might be a clash with something

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else on that day

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oh and we miss Copernicus day that was

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days ago

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in the meantime read on about things

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happening now though admittedly more

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articles than actual news hot off the

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press it's been a quiet Fortnight

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where's Pete Evans when you need them

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read on Tim

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okay Tim I'll do just that

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[Music]

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quest for a consistent theory of ghosts

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hmm a thoughtful article that tries to

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find some meaning in the mess that is

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ghost hunting quote these observations

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suggest that the phenomena of ghosts and

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hauntings is a complex and often

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inconsistent one and that according to

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these commonly held beliefs the

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behaviors of ghosts can vary widely from

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one instance to another the lack of

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reliable repeatability and the

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variability of the experiences suggests

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that there may be many different factors

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at play in determining the nature of

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ghostly activity including individual

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perceptions and experiences cultural

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beliefs and the physical and

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environmental conditions in which the

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activity occurs end quote a thoughtful

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piece from a pop culture website that

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takes its subjects more seriously than

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you would think from a first glance at

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why Wikipedia is so tough on Bigfoot

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this article looks at the popular online

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encyclopedias coverage of what generally

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can be called pseudoscience a term that

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upsets many in the phenomena and

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cryptozoology field this article looks

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at what is required to get a mention in

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Wikipedia and what forces are at work to

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stop or at least modify some of the

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over-enthusiasm of supporters of unknown

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parapsychology's Journey to the

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mainstream

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this article gives us sometimes amusing

608
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but informative history of

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parapsychology's efforts to become a

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formally accepted science this process

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went on for some time with several

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failed attempts to join the American

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Association for the advancement of

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science but eventual success in becoming

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a member quote the field of

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parapsychology still faces an uphill

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battle for respectability end quote but

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the article suggests that opposition

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these days only comes from a minority

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true tales about spontaneous human

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combustion Susan gerbick are you

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listening

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this is an interesting article that

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looks at 11 cases some explicable like

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falling asleep while smoking sitting to

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a near a fire and some not

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generally a skeptical tone throughout

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including the good advice of if you

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don't know admit you don't know don't

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make up something to fill the gap

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foreign

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tology with Vic State Library

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magician and skeptic Nicholas Johnson

634
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has teamed up with the Victorian State

635
00:29:48,590 --> 00:29:46,860
library to create a series of videos

636
00:29:51,529 --> 00:29:48,600
that both teach you how to perform

637
00:29:53,630 --> 00:29:51,539
extraordinary magic and look at the

638
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neuroscientific secrets that make the

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magic work

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Johnson says quote these tricks are the

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00:30:02,330 --> 00:29:59,640
perfect introduction to Magic and

642
00:30:09,010 --> 00:30:02,340
Neuroscience all you need is a few

643
00:30:16,570 --> 00:30:13,070
musical Skeptics explore conspiracies

644
00:30:20,029 --> 00:30:16,580
skeptical musician Nathan eggins AKA

645
00:30:23,450 --> 00:30:20,039
conspiracy of one has completed his

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00:30:25,310 --> 00:30:23,460
debut album road to reason the first

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single to be released and the album's

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opening track is the song they don't

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00:30:34,370 --> 00:30:31,260
want you to hear the they meaning

650
00:30:37,070 --> 00:30:34,380
another musical skeptic George harab

651
00:30:39,470 --> 00:30:37,080
Nathan and Geo take quote a

652
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:39,480
tongue-in-cheek look at Grand conspiracy

653
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narratives from a rational perspective

654
00:30:46,549 --> 00:30:43,980
poking fun at the insecurity surely felt

655
00:30:49,130 --> 00:30:46,559
by Earth's supposed secret rulers about

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their ability to be exposed so easily

657
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end quote the song is available now and

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the album will be on full release in

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National Science week August 2023 Nathan

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will be off on a national tour soon

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[Music]

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00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:06,179
we're working on the March issue of the

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00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:08,399
skeptic magazine meanwhile you can read

664
00:31:12,110 --> 00:31:10,260
the article on the latest Hall of Shame

665
00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:12,120
as a sample from the December issue

666
00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:14,820
another ongoing battle you'll find it

667
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:18,000
all at skeptics.com.au

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00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:19,679
if you haven't subscribed to the

669
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:22,159
magazine yet now is the time to do so

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00:31:27,769 --> 00:31:24,960
you can sign up for a hard copy or

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00:31:29,630 --> 00:31:27,779
digital Edition or both the digital is

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offered free to those who take up the

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hard copy version contact the editor if

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you're not sure if your existing

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subscription needs renewing learn more

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Skeptics in action if you have any ideas

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for stories or want to contribute to

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Skeptics Communications such as the

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magazine or Facebook page or just have

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00:31:54,649 --> 00:31:52,260
something you want to get off your chest

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00:31:57,789 --> 00:31:54,659
then you're welcome to get in touch news

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leads should be sent to news tips at

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magazine Etc should go to editor at

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skeptics.com.au comments and suggestions

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should also go to editor skeptics.com.au

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[Music]

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00:32:17,330 --> 00:32:16,050
now it's time for items of Interest

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[Music]

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the time Batman busted a psychic fraud

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00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:22,679
[Music]

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we are talking about the cartoon series

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00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:27,840
that ran in the early 90s not the

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00:32:34,190 --> 00:32:31,260
plethora of recent movies the prophecy

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00:32:36,169 --> 00:32:34,200
of Doom episode typifies how quote

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00:32:38,570 --> 00:32:36,179
Batman always approached the problem

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00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:38,580
from a skeptical point of view open to

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00:32:43,310 --> 00:32:40,799
the possibility of the supernatural or

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00:32:45,470 --> 00:32:43,320
paranormal but grounding his thinking in

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00:32:47,930 --> 00:32:45,480
the scientific method end quote

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00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:47,940
shame there was never a Meeting of Minds

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00:32:51,889 --> 00:32:49,919
between the Caped Crusader and the

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00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:51,899
Scooby-Doo crew

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00:32:59,389 --> 00:32:56,640
us shooting down UFOs a deadly mistake

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00:33:02,930 --> 00:32:59,399
according to Yuri Geller

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00:33:05,210 --> 00:33:02,940
psychic and UFO expert Yuri Geller never

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00:33:08,510 --> 00:33:05,220
a man to let an opportunity for a press

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00:33:11,090 --> 00:33:08,520
release to go by untended has warned

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00:33:13,070 --> 00:33:11,100
about shooting down Wayward balloons he

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00:33:15,649 --> 00:33:13,080
has long claimed that aliens visiting

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00:33:17,450 --> 00:33:15,659
Earth are coming in peace and set a few

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00:33:20,389 --> 00:33:17,460
different civilizations are visiting

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00:33:22,930 --> 00:33:20,399
however this article points out that

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00:33:25,730 --> 00:33:22,940
others are not so sanguine about our

715
00:33:29,090 --> 00:33:25,740
extraterrestrial visitors but since when

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00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:29,100
did Yuri become a UFO expert unless he's

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00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:31,080
bringing in some flying saucers to

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00:33:37,009 --> 00:33:34,080
complement his bent Cutlery

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00:33:38,090 --> 00:33:37,019
is Abraham Lincoln haunting the White

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House

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00:33:42,110 --> 00:33:40,380
apparently a lot of weird things are

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00:33:43,130 --> 00:33:42,120
going on in the U.S president's

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00:33:45,769 --> 00:33:43,140
residence

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00:33:48,169 --> 00:33:45,779
surprise this article looks at one of

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00:33:50,330 --> 00:33:48,179
them Abraham Lincoln whose ghost has

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00:33:52,970 --> 00:33:50,340
been seen by a range of people over the

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00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:52,980
years including a naked Churchill

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00:33:57,710 --> 00:33:56,100
smoking a cigar fresh from a bath the

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article doesn't say if Churchill was

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actually smoking the cigar while in the

731
00:34:04,490 --> 00:34:02,220
bath it is really a plug for a Discovery

732
00:34:06,769 --> 00:34:04,500
Channel documentary but it's an amusing

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00:34:09,950 --> 00:34:06,779
read before it gets to the final promo

734
00:34:12,530 --> 00:34:09,960
and a query if Lincoln was shot in

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Ford's Theater and actually died in the

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Peterson house both about a kilometer

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00:34:20,329 --> 00:34:17,399
away from the White House why has he

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00:34:22,669 --> 00:34:20,339
gone back there to haunt why not his

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00:34:25,810 --> 00:34:22,679
home in Springfield Illinois where he

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actually lived before becoming president

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[Music]

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until next time this is Adrian Hill from

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Calgary home to the hose and Hound Pub

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00:34:38,750 --> 00:34:35,159
which was originally built as fire

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00:34:40,609 --> 00:34:38,760
station number three in 1906 and is

746
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,619
rumored to have several ghosts

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00:34:47,210 --> 00:34:42,960
inhabiting it including a horse named

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lightning and a monkey named Barney

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[Music]

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how do I get better at telling if people

751
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:00,900
are lying it's really simple what you

752
00:35:04,010 --> 00:35:02,640
need to do it's real well actually funny

753
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,020
you should ask that because well I have

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to improve my memory I've got this great

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00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:08,099
trip can you make me happier okay look

756
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:09,839
for answers to a thousand questions

757
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,520
about the Incredible World of human

758
00:35:15,290 --> 00:35:13,200
behavior and the psychology of everyday

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00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:15,300
life join me psychologist Richard

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00:35:19,790 --> 00:35:17,760
Wiseman and me science journalist Marnie

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00:35:21,890 --> 00:35:19,800
chasterton on Richard wiseman's on your

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mind new podcast from podomo and

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Telltale can I win the lottery probably

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[Music]

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00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,310
now it's time once again to dip our toe

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00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,720
into the water of digital archives at

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Trove at

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trove.nla.gov dot a u the resource

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online from the Australian government in

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the National Library of Australia

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of digitized newspapers gazettes

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magazines and so on in Australian

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00:36:08,569 --> 00:36:05,300
history and we've spent many happy hours

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wading through the Rapids of Trove

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catching the odd

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information

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and this week I thought we would

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continue our look into

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cures and remedies and medicines and

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things like that and my search criteria

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was fake cures

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[Music]

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so let's see what uh in the opinion of

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reporters over the decades was fake a

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fake cure or a fake remedy

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and we start with a magazine called the

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world's news from Sydney and this

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Edition comes from the 12th of February

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1921 fake

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hypnotists

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in the two years that have passed since

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the war ended more medical quackery has

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been practiced than ever before

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especially has this been so in the case

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of nerve disorders

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hardly surprising scores of charlatans

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have made small fortunes out of

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ex-servicemen and women as well as

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civilian sufferers Who as a result of

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their experiences in the war years have

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broken down mentally yet so far little

802
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:25,980
has been done to expose the evil among

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the most up-to-date cures for illnesses

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of this description hypnotism or

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00:37:37,849 --> 00:37:34,040
suggestion as it is sometimes called is

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says persons weekly I guess that was

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another publication

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00:37:44,810 --> 00:37:41,780
becoming increasingly popular

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00:37:47,329 --> 00:37:44,820
unfortunately it is now being exploited

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on a large scale by bogus practitioners

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and others who see it a means of getting

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rich quickly and easily in the right

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hands hypnotism is undoubtedly often a

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means of restoring health and peace of

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mind to the war warn but its abuse by

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Rogues and quacks is likely to Blind the

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eyes of sufferers to its uses with the

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result that the nerve-stricken will

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hesitate to Avail themselves of its

820
00:38:18,530 --> 00:38:15,599
advantages the following is a good

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example of this kind of quackery that is

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being carried on at the present time

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in reply to an advertisement in a daily

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paper an ex-serviceman who had suffered

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agonies from Shell Shock and

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neurosthenia exhaustion of the nerves

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called on the advertiser who boasted a

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doubtful foreign medical degree

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now neurosthenia I didn't know this is

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defined as a medical condition

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characterized by fatigue headache

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irritability Associated chiefly with

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emotional disturbance yeah that sounds

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about right for somebody suffering what

835
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we would call post-stress disorder or

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what they used to call from the World

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War One shell shock

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let me read on he was shown into a back

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room that looked more like a fortune

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teller's parlor than the Consulting room

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of a genuine physician the windows and

842
00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:14,280
the doorways were draped with purple

843
00:39:21,650 --> 00:39:18,480
hangings the walls were distempered in

844
00:39:24,290 --> 00:39:21,660
the same depressing Hue while on the

845
00:39:26,510 --> 00:39:24,300
table lay a skull a chart purporting to

846
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:26,520
show the human nervous system a curious

847
00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:29,040
looking electrical machine and one or

848
00:39:34,730 --> 00:39:32,520
two other articles whose object was to

849
00:39:38,630 --> 00:39:34,740
impress visitors

850
00:39:41,810 --> 00:39:38,640
then the physician in quotation marks

851
00:39:44,569 --> 00:39:41,820
appeared he was garbed in a purple gown

852
00:39:47,390 --> 00:39:44,579
to match his surroundings and spoke in

853
00:39:49,849 --> 00:39:47,400
low chanting tones that were also

854
00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:49,859
designed to impress he made a pretense

855
00:39:54,970 --> 00:39:52,200
of examining the patient and then

856
00:39:59,390 --> 00:39:54,980
announced that for a consideration

857
00:40:01,609 --> 00:39:59,400
he could affect a cure What followed is

858
00:40:03,470 --> 00:40:01,619
almost too ridiculous to describe the

859
00:40:06,349 --> 00:40:03,480
quack made a few passes before the

860
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,359
patient's eyes tried to impress on him

861
00:40:12,109 --> 00:40:09,119
that he was rapidly getting better and

862
00:40:14,810 --> 00:40:12,119
then solemnly commanded him to sleep an

863
00:40:16,970 --> 00:40:14,820
injunction which try as he might the

864
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:16,980
patient found himself quite unable to

865
00:40:23,630 --> 00:40:20,480
obey the upshot was that the victim of

866
00:40:26,810 --> 00:40:23,640
this disgusting piece of trickery came

867
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:26,820
away no better than he went in and

868
00:40:31,970 --> 00:40:29,760
poorer by three guineas in another case

869
00:40:35,450 --> 00:40:31,980
an ex-officer went to the so-called

870
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:35,460
hypnotic healer in the West End and for

871
00:40:40,250 --> 00:40:37,440
five guineas got nothing more than a

872
00:40:42,829 --> 00:40:40,260
hint to the effect that for a further

873
00:40:45,430 --> 00:40:42,839
fee of 10 guineas he would be supplied

874
00:40:49,370 --> 00:40:45,440
with a course of instructions in quote

875
00:40:52,670 --> 00:40:49,380
nerve control and self-hypnotism end

876
00:40:55,609 --> 00:40:52,680
quote that was almost guaranteed to cure

877
00:40:58,910 --> 00:40:55,619
in this as in other cases the subject

878
00:41:02,030 --> 00:40:58,920
had lost not only his nerve but his

879
00:41:05,569 --> 00:41:02,040
common sense for he foolishly paid the

880
00:41:08,510 --> 00:41:05,579
extra money and got some lessons in Auto

881
00:41:09,950 --> 00:41:08,520
or self-suggestion which were quite

882
00:41:11,930 --> 00:41:09,960
useless

883
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:11,940
and I'll just break there to say that

884
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:14,640
it's a little unkind to say that this

885
00:41:19,849 --> 00:41:16,560
poor fellow foolishly paid the extra

886
00:41:23,569 --> 00:41:19,859
money as we know now that you shouldn't

887
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:23,579
you shouldn't necessarily blame the

888
00:41:28,190 --> 00:41:26,640
victim of any scam or con especially

889
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,200
when it comes to matters of Health

890
00:41:33,470 --> 00:41:30,720
another man was asked by one of these

891
00:41:36,589 --> 00:41:33,480
bogus doctors to believe in all

892
00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:36,599
seriousness that not only had he never

893
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,200
been to war but that there was no such

894
00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:43,200
thing as War but in this case the

895
00:41:48,470 --> 00:41:46,260
hypnotist overdid it for the patient who

896
00:41:52,250 --> 00:41:48,480
up till then had placed some faith in

897
00:41:53,450 --> 00:41:52,260
the man's powers powers not sure how to

898
00:41:56,150 --> 00:41:53,460
read that but that's what it says

899
00:41:59,870 --> 00:41:56,160
denounced him on the spot and demanded

900
00:42:02,810 --> 00:41:59,880
his money back in lieu of an exposure in

901
00:42:05,450 --> 00:42:02,820
the end the quack paid up but there was

902
00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:05,460
nothing to stop him from carrying on his

903
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,240
fraudulent calling the moral is that the

904
00:42:13,310 --> 00:42:11,520
nerve sufferer should never be lured

905
00:42:16,250 --> 00:42:13,320
into paying money for treatment to

906
00:42:18,829 --> 00:42:16,260
anyone other than a recognized doctor or

907
00:42:22,190 --> 00:42:18,839
specialist such men it should be

908
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:22,200
remembered never advertise and I can't

909
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:24,480
help thinking that similar

910
00:42:31,450 --> 00:42:28,079
things like this go on to this very day

911
00:42:33,710 --> 00:42:31,460
with the people purporting to have

912
00:42:35,210 --> 00:42:33,720
miraculous cures

913
00:42:37,609 --> 00:42:35,220
and now we move on to the Daily

914
00:42:40,849 --> 00:42:37,619
Telegraph from Sydney Australia dated

915
00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:40,859
the 13th of November 1952

916
00:42:47,450 --> 00:42:44,040
calls healer fake

917
00:42:50,510 --> 00:42:47,460
a man on whom faith healer Valdez last

918
00:42:53,630 --> 00:42:50,520
Sunday performed a major Miracle

919
00:42:57,290 --> 00:42:53,640
denounced Valdez last night as a fake

920
00:43:00,109 --> 00:42:57,300
the man is Mr Wallace Brown 58 of bass

921
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,119
Avenue East Hills

922
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:02,400
he has been crippled with arthritis for

923
00:43:07,010 --> 00:43:03,599
seven years

924
00:43:10,190 --> 00:43:07,020
Valdez cure of Mr Brown was the feature

925
00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:10,200
of last Sunday night's meeting Mr Brown

926
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,140
said last night that since Valdez

927
00:43:17,809 --> 00:43:15,839
claimed his miracle cure on Sunday he

928
00:43:20,329 --> 00:43:17,819
had suffered more than usual and had

929
00:43:23,630 --> 00:43:20,339
been confined to his bed for two days Mr

930
00:43:25,609 --> 00:43:23,640
Brown added I am a religious man saying

931
00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:25,619
my prayers daily and attend church

932
00:43:30,770 --> 00:43:28,260
regularly I went to the Capitol Theater

933
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:30,780
last Sunday night feeling sure that if

934
00:43:36,109 --> 00:43:33,359
Faith was all that was needed as Valdez

935
00:43:40,730 --> 00:43:36,119
claimed I would be cured of my pain and

936
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:40,740
suffering some Stooges I lined up with

937
00:43:46,190 --> 00:43:43,200
hundreds of people all hoping this man

938
00:43:48,349 --> 00:43:46,200
would relieve them of pain or suffering

939
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:48,359
I think there were some Stooges in the

940
00:43:53,329 --> 00:43:50,460
line but I think most of them like

941
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:53,339
myself genuinely believed that he might

942
00:43:59,690 --> 00:43:56,880
help us when I reached him on the stage

943
00:44:03,349 --> 00:43:59,700
he put his right hand on my forehead

944
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:03,359
gave a gasp and said I had received the

945
00:44:08,030 --> 00:44:05,760
Lord's healing Spirit another man

946
00:44:10,849 --> 00:44:08,040
standing by took my crutches and I stood

947
00:44:13,130 --> 00:44:10,859
alone Valdez seemed to think I hadn't

948
00:44:14,829 --> 00:44:13,140
been able to do this before and told

949
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:14,839
people over the public address system

950
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:18,240
isn't that wonderful I've always been

951
00:44:22,849 --> 00:44:20,460
able to stand without my crutches and

952
00:44:25,309 --> 00:44:22,859
walk a few yards without them no

953
00:44:27,370 --> 00:44:25,319
different Valdez told me to put my

954
00:44:30,050 --> 00:44:27,380
crutches over my shoulder and walk away

955
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:30,060
I took a couple of steps and he called

956
00:44:34,970 --> 00:44:31,920
on the crowd for Applause for the

957
00:44:37,370 --> 00:44:34,980
miracle he thought he had worked I

958
00:44:39,470 --> 00:44:37,380
didn't feel any different I wanted to

959
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:39,480
say so through the microphone but he he

960
00:44:43,730 --> 00:44:41,760
was too smart to let me near it I

961
00:44:46,849 --> 00:44:43,740
collected my crutches put them under my

962
00:44:48,650 --> 00:44:46,859
arm and reached one of the ushers who

963
00:44:51,170 --> 00:44:48,660
helped me down the stairs I couldn't

964
00:44:54,109 --> 00:44:51,180
have gone another foot without them if

965
00:44:57,650 --> 00:44:54,119
only the crowd had known Valdez cure of

966
00:45:00,050 --> 00:44:57,660
my arthritis was a flop since Sunday I

967
00:45:02,750 --> 00:45:00,060
have been out of bed only a few hours

968
00:45:05,690 --> 00:45:02,760
friends and neighbors have called to see

969
00:45:08,450 --> 00:45:05,700
if the Cure as reported in the paper was

970
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,460
right a man from a society dealing with

971
00:45:13,069 --> 00:45:10,319
crippled children called to see if I was

972
00:45:14,930 --> 00:45:13,079
cured he said that if Valdez had helped

973
00:45:16,970 --> 00:45:14,940
me he would recommend mothers of

974
00:45:19,609 --> 00:45:16,980
crippled children to take the children

975
00:45:21,710 --> 00:45:19,619
along I told him I thought it was about

976
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:21,720
time people were told that Valdez

977
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,960
Miracles were not Miracles at all I am

978
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:27,359
not a Catholic but I agree with Dr

979
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:30,000
Rumble that Valdez needs attention

980
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:33,119
himself if he really believes he is

981
00:45:39,050 --> 00:45:36,480
curing people as a test Valdez should go

982
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,060
into a hospital for two weeks and try to

983
00:45:42,829 --> 00:45:41,280
work miracles on patients under the

984
00:45:45,170 --> 00:45:42,839
supervision of doctors

985
00:45:47,690 --> 00:45:45,180
if he could cure a single patient under

986
00:45:50,329 --> 00:45:47,700
those conditions I would be prepared to

987
00:45:52,430 --> 00:45:50,339
believe what he says until then I'll

988
00:45:55,849 --> 00:45:52,440
regard him as a fake

989
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:55,859
and this is one of the uh things I have

990
00:46:03,650 --> 00:45:59,520
witnessed firsthand many years ago many

991
00:46:06,650 --> 00:46:03,660
years ago when Dr reichi Dr rachio

992
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:06,660
reporter in the United States and I

993
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,359
attended a Benny Hinn

994
00:46:12,890 --> 00:46:11,520
um what would you call it service here

995
00:46:15,109 --> 00:46:12,900
in Sydney

996
00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:15,119
and it was um

997
00:46:19,309 --> 00:46:17,400
bordering now it wasn't bordering on Far

998
00:46:21,890 --> 00:46:19,319
sickle it was farcical

999
00:46:25,010 --> 00:46:21,900
maybe one day I should uh relay that

1000
00:46:27,410 --> 00:46:25,020
story now here's a very short notice in

1001
00:46:31,069 --> 00:46:27,420
the Canberra times dated the 2nd of June

1002
00:46:35,210 --> 00:46:31,079
1984. fake cures Washington Friday

1003
00:46:36,829 --> 00:46:35,220
reuter fake cancer and arthritis cures

1004
00:46:39,290 --> 00:46:36,839
and products which promised to make

1005
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:39,300
people beautiful or young again are

1006
00:46:45,290 --> 00:46:41,040
costing Americans more than the

1007
00:46:48,650 --> 00:46:45,300
equivalent of Australian dollars 11 200

1008
00:46:50,930 --> 00:46:48,660
million a year a house committee was

1009
00:46:52,490 --> 00:46:50,940
told yesterday if only can't secure his

1010
00:46:54,770 --> 00:46:52,500
account for the largest part of that

1011
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:54,780
about the equivalent of Australian

1012
00:47:01,490 --> 00:46:57,359
dollars four thousand four hundred and

1013
00:47:06,349 --> 00:47:01,500
eighty million to 5 600 million dollars

1014
00:47:09,470 --> 00:47:06,359
a year when was that 1984

1015
00:47:11,870 --> 00:47:09,480
now another reasonably short report here

1016
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:11,880
from The Observer Adelaide South

1017
00:47:18,829 --> 00:47:14,480
Australia dated the 23rd of February

1018
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:18,839
1924. Washington Rum Runners fake

1019
00:47:23,210 --> 00:47:21,359
Physicians the New York City Health

1020
00:47:25,370 --> 00:47:23,220
authorities after months of

1021
00:47:28,490 --> 00:47:25,380
Investigation have launched a campaign

1022
00:47:30,109 --> 00:47:28,500
against fake Physicians a considerable

1023
00:47:32,809 --> 00:47:30,119
number of whom are believed to be

1024
00:47:35,329 --> 00:47:32,819
practicing in New York four arrests were

1025
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:35,339
made today or from among the foreign

1026
00:47:39,710 --> 00:47:37,440
communities the authorities at the same

1027
00:47:43,370 --> 00:47:39,720
time begin a publicity campaign against

1028
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,380
quack practitioners of which 51 are

1029
00:47:47,569 --> 00:47:45,599
named various individuals holding

1030
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:47,579
so-called diplomas from special

1031
00:47:53,450 --> 00:47:50,460
institutions which teach these Sciences

1032
00:47:56,510 --> 00:47:53,460
have lodged a protest with the city

1033
00:47:59,450 --> 00:47:56,520
authorities and requested them to remove

1034
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:59,460
the names of their cures from the

1035
00:48:04,430 --> 00:48:00,960
publicity material

1036
00:48:06,589 --> 00:48:04,440
Dr Vincent president of the Rockefeller

1037
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,599
Foundation has declared that quackery

1038
00:48:12,109 --> 00:48:08,400
will exist until the general

1039
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:12,119
intellectual level rises

1040
00:48:19,490 --> 00:48:15,599
and finally a report from the 1950s in

1041
00:48:22,010 --> 00:48:19,500
fact from 1950 itself from Saturday the

1042
00:48:23,930 --> 00:48:22,020
15th of April in The Daily News Perth

1043
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:23,940
Western Australia

1044
00:48:29,870 --> 00:48:28,319
fake gadgets sold for cures Kansas City

1045
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:29,880
Saturday

1046
00:48:36,290 --> 00:48:34,079
then it says n a n a so I'm not exactly

1047
00:48:38,990 --> 00:48:36,300
sure what that means

1048
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:39,000
fake medical devices are replacing the

1049
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:42,240
19th century bottle remedies and

1050
00:48:46,370 --> 00:48:44,880
traveling medicine dispensaries the

1051
00:48:49,849 --> 00:48:46,380
federal Food and Drug Administration

1052
00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:49,859
office throughout the US are concerned

1053
00:48:56,450 --> 00:48:52,140
about the increasing use of quote

1054
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:56,460
scientific cures end quote which now are

1055
00:49:02,690 --> 00:48:59,280
being distributed in large numbers a

1056
00:49:05,450 --> 00:49:02,700
radiant ozone generator recently tested

1057
00:49:08,089 --> 00:49:05,460
in a Kansas City court case and found to

1058
00:49:10,130 --> 00:49:08,099
be of no apparent Curative value was

1059
00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:10,140
typical of the discoveries that alleged

1060
00:49:17,150 --> 00:49:13,560
to cure everything from fallen arches to

1061
00:49:20,809 --> 00:49:17,160
eczema said and administration official

1062
00:49:23,870 --> 00:49:20,819
one device called a magnet Ray belt was

1063
00:49:27,890 --> 00:49:23,880
claimed by its manufacturers to cure or

1064
00:49:31,010 --> 00:49:27,900
alleviate 50 different human ills

1065
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:31,020
the devices were usually weird looking

1066
00:49:35,569 --> 00:49:32,880
instruments and their inventors and

1067
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:35,579
Distributors were pseudoscientists who

1068
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:39,119
fleeced thousands of desperate persons

1069
00:49:45,230 --> 00:49:42,480
Federal Food Drug and cosmetic laws

1070
00:49:47,930 --> 00:49:45,240
require that the active ingredients of

1071
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:47,940
any medicine be printed on the label and

1072
00:49:54,530 --> 00:49:51,599
there could no longer be quote secret

1073
00:49:58,130 --> 00:49:54,540
remedies end quote of the type so

1074
00:50:01,130 --> 00:49:58,140
successfully sold years ago so the idea

1075
00:50:03,710 --> 00:50:01,140
of mysterious curing power was being

1076
00:50:07,089 --> 00:50:03,720
attached to devices which had no label

1077
00:50:11,450 --> 00:50:07,099
some of the instruments were ridiculous

1078
00:50:14,140 --> 00:50:11,460
the magnet Ray belt was simply an

1079
00:50:17,589 --> 00:50:14,150
imitation leather band

1080
00:50:24,109 --> 00:50:20,630
so there we go look at just some of the

1081
00:50:26,750 --> 00:50:24,119
hundreds as discovered and maybe we will

1082
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:26,760
revisit this topic soon hundreds of

1083
00:50:31,069 --> 00:50:29,040
references in the Australian media the

1084
00:50:34,550 --> 00:50:31,079
Australian newspapers over the years to

1085
00:50:37,790 --> 00:50:34,560
fake cures so once again Trove delivers

1086
00:50:40,490 --> 00:50:37,800
and it can deliver for you too because

1087
00:50:45,410 --> 00:50:40,500
when you troll the trove

1088
00:50:45,420 --> 00:51:04,730
[Music]

1089
00:51:08,750 --> 00:51:06,530
thank you for listening to this week's

1090
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,760
episode of the skeptic Zone can I have

1091
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,800
my show back now please thank you very

1092
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:12,480
much for doing the introduction by the

1093
00:51:17,390 --> 00:51:15,839
way I was stuck folks the chair which

1094
00:51:20,750 --> 00:51:17,400
I'm padding right now in the war room

1095
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:20,760
and Susan's office is astonishing

1096
00:51:25,609 --> 00:51:23,760
it's a comfy chair it's a comfy comfy

1097
00:51:29,150 --> 00:51:25,619
you can recline on it and fall asleep

1098
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,160
which I did with two cats with at least

1099
00:51:33,470 --> 00:51:31,200
two cats we have a third but it's being

1100
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:33,480
a little shy oh it's pretty comfortable

1101
00:51:37,370 --> 00:51:36,000
here Susan let me tell you now you would

1102
00:51:39,890 --> 00:51:37,380
have heard in this week's show of course

1103
00:51:42,109 --> 00:51:39,900
that uh Adrian Hill will be presenting

1104
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:42,119
at Skeptics in the pub in Sydney later

1105
00:51:46,370 --> 00:51:44,160
in March which is very exciting I'm so

1106
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:46,380
jealous yeah I can't wait for that but

1107
00:51:50,510 --> 00:51:49,200
folks in Sydney of course you can go to

1108
00:51:52,430 --> 00:51:50,520
Skeptics in the pub there are two

1109
00:51:54,589 --> 00:51:52,440
Skeptics in the pub in March on the 2nd

1110
00:51:57,470 --> 00:51:54,599
of March Thursday the 2nd of March

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there's a Skeptics in the pub and it is

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entitled Free Speech truths only Ally

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and this will be a talk by Iona Italia

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who will talk about the many reasons why

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we lie in work life and politics that

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sounds interesting folks you can find

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out more if you visit the Skeptics uh

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the Australian Skeptics Meetup page

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which is uh meetup.com AUST

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Skeptics go along for that and then

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prepare yourself for uh our friend and

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reporter Adrian Hill later in the month

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and Adrian is

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um such a dedicated skeptic Susan I know

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she does a lot of work for Guerrilla

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skepticism oh yes she's very active I

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can't wait I cannot wait I should be

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back in Australia then well Susan wife

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had a wonderful few days here basically

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sleeping on your comfy chair in the war

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room

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oh wait a minute listeners he had a

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spare room he didn't have to sleep on

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the chair he just chose to sleep on the

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chair why wouldn't I it's wonderful it's

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wonderful but for this week we better

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round it up we better rounded up for

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this week this is Richard Saunders and

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Susan gerbeck signing off from the war

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room here in cat nip Corners Salinas

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hello to all the people who listen after

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the music yes it's that time where we

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roll the skeptic Zone die a 10-sided die

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and we have a special guest roller this

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week Susan I have been waiting for this

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all my life

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have been waiting for this I have those

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dice over there yeah oh oh look at this

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Dad made those oh aren't they wonderful

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big

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um handmade wooden uh die right here on

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the on the uh bookcase beautiful all

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right I said I've been concentrating I

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have a 10-sided die that you just gave

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me that is a tense I feel honored I mean

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it's it's black with these very nice

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looking blue letters very it's like a

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Cobell blue it's very pretty and then

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I'm been concentrating on the five see

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the five right there yeah I'm

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concentrating on it so it's going to be

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a five all right so so you know the

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segment you can tell the listeners

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what's about to happen and what they

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have to do well I think you should all

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concentrate on five out there everybody

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out there concentrating on the five

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because I think we should be able to

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roll three fives in a row it has

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happened before

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so they say yeah it has so Folks at home

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concentrate now use your psychic powers

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or your dumb luck or guessing or

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whatever you want to do and Susan's

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going to roll the first of three roles

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the first of three roles now remember

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you can guess anywhere from one to ten

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that's right because there's ten there's

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ten numbers inside they say there's ten

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but I only see the five see the five I

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mean there are other numbers here I can

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see all the numbers okay so I'm really

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kind of stressed out about this this is

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kind of stressful will it be a five what

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if what if it is not a five then you

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roll it again my odds are one in five so

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that would be oh okay oh my God see I

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can't even do math right now Adrian's

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gonna be so mad at me okay here it comes

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folks yeah

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T you pick it up okay here we go here we

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go

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I'm blowing on it

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okay here we go

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okay here we are come on all right

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I don't believe it I believe it it's a

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five it's a five okay first number is

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five it's a five okay are you guys out

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there concentrating on the five five

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five five five okay we can do this three

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times row I mean what's the odds

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yeah but one in ten times anyway no no

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it's one in ten this roll right here is

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one and ten it'll be a five right right

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okay I'm not messing up with my math

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if you just think of the role

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individually okay I'm gonna blow on it

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again

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oh well it's almost a five it's a four

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see how we justify things humans are

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interesting how we justify these things

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almost

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a five just missing it just missing it

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but so so far we have one five and one

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four and the last number coming up okay

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not even almost as five this time it's a

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seven

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we've got one five be happy with that I

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know the first one was exciting I mean

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that was just like a thrill I I don't

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know how I'm gonna follow this up I I

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can't I could go to Disneyland or

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something I guess but

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I'm just wow that was stressful

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the the pressure you feel to do this

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right well I tell you what sometimes we

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no because you may get a five and then

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okay I'm gonna do it I'll do it oh you

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do it all right here's the supplementary

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folks I know he just wants to grab the

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Dyson roller okay

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there we go

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four four how disappointing

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I'm really disappointed now because that

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made my odds of getting a five one out

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of four instead of one out of three

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because you made me roll it again let's

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go to the casino no no no we don't have

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casinos here where would I find that all

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right you guys sorry I'm sorry I didn't

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get three fives in a row I thought I was

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gonna be able to do it but thank you